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Derek Parnell
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 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:12 pm Post subject: Issues with 0.27 |
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* When creating a new Project, it asks for a folder name. But if the folder entered doesn't exist, it complains (fair enough) but doesn't give me a way to create the folder. I have to use another tool to create a folder. Why?
* It then came up with the alert "Fill all necessary data" without telling me what fields are necessary. I'm still not sure, but I selected Basic/Console and now it works so I guess one has to select a Type of Project. Not very clear.
* And what is the "Add Project Wizard"? It is supposed to add a new project? Also the tabbing order of the fields is not what I expected.
* So then I tried to add a file into the project so I selected "New File Into Project" I got the alert "Please select a valid folder". But there is no folder selection button/field.
* So then I just opened the file I wanted to edit. I have no idea if its in the project or not. There doesn't seem to be a screen that tells me what files are in the project.
* So then I tried to compile it. I have the "Use Elephant Build" selected so I expected it to use Build utility. But it looks like its trying to run DMD because I have set the path to that. And why I have to do that is beyond me too. Just use the PATH symbol to find it if its not explicitly set.
At this point I give up. The User Interface needs serious rethinking.
It looks like it shouild be a great IDE, but its not there yet. So i'm back to Crimson Editor and the DOS shell 
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Derek Parnell
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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HEY! Who gave you permission to change my file associations!
Bad User Interface is written all over this IDE.
May I please suggest you read something like "About Face" by Alan Cooper.
http://www.cooper.com/content/insights/cooper_books.asp
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qbert
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: |
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These will be addressed for next release , book is in the mail.
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AgentOrange
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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or you could just open source it and let people do it right......
just a suggestion  |
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qbert
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt anyone would work on it , I have yet to get help on any open source project. If someone with alot of MFC experience wants to help I'd open it up.
Most of the issues mentioned have already been fixed, thats why this release is taking so long .
It will be great , all good things take time.
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ElfQT
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| qbert wrote: | | If someone with alot of MFC experience wants to help I'd open it up. |
Well, I've seen it once
If that's the cause then I'd recommend to go opensource. Elephant _is_ the best D IDE right now. If D gets attention, Elephant will also. I've seen some clever ppl around D interested in an IDE. Well, maybe D IDE written in IDE would be more attractive, but who knows.
Also, I'd like to ask for some time now, if Elephant has Debug support planned? |
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qbert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also, I'd like to ask for some time now, if Elephant has Debug support planned? |
Yes , here is whats done so far http://www.thecodebase.com/DMDebugApi.zip . Unfortunately Im working two jobs , and have half a dozen other projects , never enough time  . |
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qbert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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As a follow up , whats left to be done is to get 'TypeInfo' ( as used by http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/debug/base/symgettypeinfo.asp ) get put into the object code created by DMD. DMD already does this to a degree but I dont think its using the most up-to-date CodeView info.
I don't know if microsoft publishes this info , was going to try to do it by deduction , figure out the codes and where they should go , then let Walter integrate it into DMD . If anyone wants to contribute we could start a new project here on dsource .
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ElfQT
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qbert
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Searching the DM domain for "Codeview" (http://www.google.com/search?q=codeview&domains=www.digitalmars.com&sitesearch=www.digitalmars.com?2Fd&sourceid=google-search)
shows that "Charles" <no xx email.com> (singing as Charlie) tried to investigate dmd and codeview stuff. Was that you?
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Yep thats me  .
| Quote: | | I'm not experienced enough with debuggers to help effectively, but if you need information about some microsoft stuff (codeview 2 specification maybe?), I can ask (probably I'll get it if it is public info). |
Alas me neither -- just brute forced my way through it  .
Hmm cool , in there it mentions
| pecoff.doc wrote: | | The actual format of CodeView debug information is not described here. See the document CV4 Symbolic Debug Information Specification |
I can't seem to find _that_ document though , and strangely enough , the first few results listed on google lists www.digitalmars.com/bibliography.html ! Maybe Walter has it , Ill send him an email see if he responds.
Actually Im pretty sure CV5 Specs ( the current version ) is on MSDN CD -- Ill see if I can find it on my VC++ .net MSDN CD.
Thanks
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ElfQT
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I've downloaded http://www.thecodebase.com/DMDebugApi.zip, then managed to compile (with VC7) (I have no ModInfo.LoadedPdbName definition in the corrresponding header which comes with VC7), but then "DMDebugger.exe x.exe" throws an exception.
It is originated from cvreader.cpp line 129. "ptr" above is points to an invalid adress. I guess the problem lies in VC7 header files...
It's too hard for me...
Still, as I see, the #1 priority for D would be a decent debugger. So I'm thinking about learning the ins and outs of the topic, because others, more capable than me are instead working without this essential tool.
Also, MS says that cv4 is badly outdated. And says that pdb format isn't public... What other debug info formats are out there? Why D has to s(t)uck with this MS standard-nonstandard? |
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ElfQT
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qbert
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Heya!
Is this in the DMDebugAPI/DMDebugger/Debug directory ?
After compiling DMDebugger in Debug mode and running
./DMDebugger.exe x.exe my output is
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Error: Integer Divide by Zero
EXCEPTION [ EXCEPTION_BREAKPOINT ]
Code: 80000003
Address: 77F7F570
ThreadId: 110040
Flags: 00000000
NumberParameters: 3
Parameter[0]: 00000000
Parameter[1]: 00000004
Parameter[2]: 77F77010
SYMBOLS
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Symbol [ DbgBreakPoint ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ <77F50000> ]
File [ <77F50000>.d ]
Line No[ -858993460 ]
Symbol [ ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ ]
File [ ]
Line No[ 0 ]
Symbol [ ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ ]
File [ ]
Line No[ 0 ]
EXCEPTION [ EXCEPTION_INT_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO ]
Code: c0000094
Address: 00402024
ThreadId: 110040
Flags: 00000000
NumberParameters: 0
SYMBOLS
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Symbol [ D1x7breakItFZv ]
Class [ ]
Function [ breakIt ]
Module [ x ]
File [ x.d ]
Line No[ -858993460 ]
Symbol [ _Dmain ]
Class [ ]
Function [ main ]
Module [ <00400000> ]
File [ x.d ]
Line No[ 14 ]
Symbol [ main ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ <00400000> ]
File [ <00400000>.d ]
Line No[ 14 ]
Symbol [ mainCRTStartup ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ <00400000> ]
File [ <00400000>.d ]
Line No[ 14 ]
Symbol [ CreateProcessInternalW ]
Class [ ]
Function [ ]
Module [ <77E60000> ]
File [ <77E60000>.d ]
Line No[ 14 ]
PROCESS EXIT: 110036
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| ElfQT wrote: |
Also, MS says that cv4 is badly outdated. And says that pdb format isn't public... What other debug info formats are out there? Why D has to s(t)uck with this MS standard-nonstandard? |
I guess theres no real reason to stick with it , especially scince the pdb format isn't public. I think that most windows C++ compilers use CV -- but I don't know why , maybe since all executables have to follow the PE ( Portable Execution ) format on windows OS's.
Another idea would be to look at OpenWatcom -- see how they implement their CV stuff.
I agree a debugger is essential for D to become successful , I'll look at www.openwatcom.org |
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Carlos
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| qbert wrote: | | Another idea would be to look at OpenWatcom -- see how they implement their CV stuff. |
Before jumping into OW, check http://www.dsource.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=957#5829
I don't know why pragma said that about OW, so maybe you should ask him. |
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ElfQT
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| qbert wrote: | Is this in the DMDebugAPI/DMDebugger/Debug directory ?
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Yes. |
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